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+#N struct help-get-template1 float x float y symbol s;
+#N canvas 489 102 633 413 12;
+#X text 22 324 see also:;
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+#X obj 125 344 append;
+#X obj 184 344 getsize;
+#X obj 252 344 setsize;
+#X obj 320 344 element;
+#X obj 25 369 sublist;
+#X msg 60 130 next;
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+#X obj 60 21 struct help-get-template1 float x float y symbol s;
+#X restore 376 234 pd help-get-template1;
+#N canvas 0 0 276 156 help-get-data 1;
+#X scalar help-get-template1 46 23 dog \;;
+#X scalar help-get-template1 106 73 cat \;;
+#X restore 376 212 pd help-get-data;
+#X obj 21 10 get;
+#X text 86 10 -- get values from a scalar;
+#X msg 45 102 traverse pd-help-get-data \, next;
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+#X obj 45 157 pointer;
+#X text 337 101 output first scalar in list;
+#X text 103 129 output next item;
+#X text 24 267 If you have data whose template varies (from a heterogeneous
+list \, for example) you can use "pointer" to select according to template
+before sending to "get".;
+#X text 31 37 "Get" \, when sent a pointer to a scalar \, retrieves
+fields from it by name. The fields can be float or symbol. In the future
+this will also allow access to sublists of scalars.;
+#X text 307 167 First argument selects template.;
+#X text 308 182 Remaining args are names of fields.;
+#X text 41 227 x output;
+#X text 166 228 y output;
+#X obj 25 344 pointer;
+#X obj 93 369 struct;
+#X text 377 377 updated for Pd version 0.39;
+#X obj 45 185 get help-get-template1 x y s;
+#X text 252 229 s output;
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